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at the new york stock exchange. as we hurry toward the edges of the fiscal cliff, this market holding its breath. but holding up. >> yes, so far. technology one of the few bright spots with apple rebounding after that huge decline we saw yesterday. its worst day in four years. it's got everybody on wall street scratching their heads trying to figure out what the problem is with apple. at any rate, here's where we stands right now. sort of a meandering day for the markets. some economic data out this morning. the market responding to that. then a sideways move after that. the nasdaq benefitting from the rebound in technology yesterday. up 11.5 points on the thatnasda. the s&p is also trading higher. there it is. up 2.5 points on the s&p. >> meanwhile, bullish sentiment at an eight-month high right now. equity allocation is still at the lowest level of the year according to the american association of individual investors survey that was out this weekend. stock in a wait-and-see mode. totally understandable until these fiscal issues are resolved. >> but don't just sit on your hands. there i
on wall street modestly higher today i did spite no sign of a deal on the fiscal cliff. take a look how we're settling out this thursday afternoon on wall street. the industrial average at 13,074. the s&p up just a fraction. will the markets get a boost from another cash infusion? ben pace says he's expecting the federal reserve to announce another round of stimulus at the meeting next week. is that what the markets really want right now? ben pace joins me along with chris heize and rick santelli. ben, let's talk fed policy. you think the fed announces qe-4 next week? >> i think it's the fact the twist operation is ending at the ends of the year, and they don't feel compelled to incrementally tighten that. that means it has to be replaced. that's the qe-4, the fact they'll continue to buy to continue to be just as easy as they've been since the september 16th qe- 3 announcement. >> so you think it's a continuation. what's the impact on the market, do you think? is it priced in? are we expecting that? what do you think? >> i think it's generally priced in. the thing that concerns me the mos
think the fiscal cliff uncertainty is going to continue t actually. so i'm a little more bearish in the near term. then i think it's a sell-off, if there is one, that should be bought aggressively for a rally in the end of 2013 that would be the beginning of a new bull market. >> when you say a rally towards the end of next year, do you think over the course of 2013 it's going to end higher? we're going to be higher than where we are right now? >> yeah, i mean, i think ultimately 2013 ends up higher at the end. i think we're going to go -- we're going to test some lower resistance in the first six, seven months of the year. we have so much uncertainty in washington. we do have slowing economies in europe and in the u.s. >> right. david, what do you say right now? break the tie for us. >> break the tie. in the near term, there's an epic tug of war between extremely aggressive monetary easing and just total disdain for what they're doing in washington on tax and regulatory policy. in the near term, the fiscal cliff prevails. in the longer term, the fed will prevail. there's so much
to the 88-89 level. the fiscal cliff talks not going anywhere yet. during the next two weeks we will start to see some positive remarks. one thing that is very interesting, heat and oil settled in a very weak position. those two coming off could take the energy complex down much further. right now only 85 to 85.10. cheryl: we have plenty of supply out there right now. we are in the middle of winter. >> we have a tremendous amount of supply. we do not have much cold weather coming up near term. once the fiscal cliff starts getting resolved, you will see some buying going on. cheryl: bobby, i want to go back to you about europe. we have not had a lot of problees. seems like the greeks are kind to getting things. >> the last few days, europe markets have been pretty strong. as you said, a sleeping giant. cheryl: i do not want to see anything change. it has been nice. gentlemen, thank you. i appreciate it. great floor show today. uncertainty seems to be the norm in washington these days. last year you have the debt ceiling convey. congress had trouble putting together a deal. now the u.s. may
of a compromise on the fiscal cliff stalemate in washington. eamon javers standing by in a moment with information on a bipartisan letter from lawmakers that's. putting tax hikes and entitlement cuts firmly on the table. >> i'm bill griffeth. let's show you, and the charts tell the day's story, as it usually does. can you get when the president began speaking at business round table and we learned that at least 40 house republicans are breaking ranks to talk about anything, all possibilities as they said in an open letter. right now the dow is up 110, near the highs of the day. 13,062.59. the nasdaq is going the other direction. blame apple and overall technology having a tough day. down 13 points right now on the nasdaq at 2982. the s&p is holding with a gain of about five points. we'll have more on the markets in a moment. first, let's get to what's going on in washington. more republicans breaking ranks to join what we hope will be a bipartisan call for higher tax rates and entitlement cuts. eamon javers on capitol hill has the very latest details for us. eamon. >> reporter: hi, bill. that lett
left to stop the u.s. from going over the fiscal cliff. staff and speaker john boehner's office telling fox business the lines of communication open, but it's an empty house in washington. look at these pictures. house members on their long weekend break, and the senate is out until monday, but not before working out logistics for a big event. a private screening of steven spielberg's lincoln at the capital. now, harry reid using his time to take a special waiver to allow unbuttered popcorn in the auditorium. that's what passes for work these days. the president's holding another campaign style event as the middle class families, and with more, michael burgess of texas. congressman, great to have you object show again. >> great to be with you, thank you. gerri: everything's hanging in the banse, economy, middle class income, taxes, you name it, and you and your fellow house members are not going to work. >> well, wait, this is a 24-hour day job, seven days a week. i'm in new york tomorrow looking at the hospitals affected in hurricane sandy, and i feel like i need to do the ground work
reasons. >> i would guarantee if there is a fiscal cliff agreement, this stock shoots up big time. >> capital gains. that's all about capital gains in my mind. i cited other things i think are a problem but capital gains is why they're selling. >> have a great weekend, everybody. "power" starts right now. >> announcer: halftime is over. "power lunch" and the second half of the trading day start right now. >>> indeed it does. and today on "power lunch," no progress. a very stark assessment from the house speaker on where the fiscal cliff talks stand with 24 days to go. where should you put your money heading into this weekend? could be a very crucial weekend. >>> no worries. with the unemployment rate still near an 8% level, why some companies can't find workers. there's work and it is not a skills gap. we'll show you what else is being factored in to that equation. >>> and no fair, perhaps? well, a big change at big blue. ibm changing the way it pays down its 401(k). will other companies follow suit? tyler mathisen, my partner, who is always fair, always working, and is always a w
of progress in washington towards a fix for the fiscal cliff. the only hopeful sign is that republicans and democrats are talking privately again. but they haven't worked out any of the big issues, including what to do about the nation's debt limit. washington will hit its borrowing limit early next year, darren gersh has the latest. >> reporter: sitting around the kitchen table with a middle class family in virginia, the president once again pressed for congress to avoid the fiscal cliff. >> if this family has a couple of thousand dollars less to spend, that translates into $200 billion of less consumer spending next year. and that's bad for businesses, large and small. >> reporter: behind the scenes, the two sides are talking again. but there was no progress in public. senators today fought over the debt limit, and ended up deadlocked over a bill to allow the president to automatically increase borrowing. >> he's shown what he is really after is unprecedented powers to spend taxpayer dollars without any limit at all. >> reporter: if the debt limit isn't raised, the country can't pay f
in the fiscal cliff negotiations. >> tom: that and more tonight on "n.b.r."! >> susie: the job market is proving to be surprisingly resilient. american employers hired 146,000 workers in november, much more than expected. and the unemployment rate fell to 7.7%, the lowest level since december of 2008. as erika miller reports, that wasn't the only surprise in today's report. >> reporter: almost no one on wall street saw this good news coming. there was every reason to think hiring would be weak last month. after all, many parts of the east coast are still recovering from devastation caused by superstorm sandy. >> i think the most likely explanation here is sandy's impact was significant but was so short-lived that it didn't extend to the sample period of the employment report which was the week that covered november 12. >> reporter: hiring was also supposed to be weak due to worries about the fiscal cliff. with $600 billion in automatic tax hikes and government spending cuts set to start next yer, why aren't more firms postponing hiring decisions? >> what we're hearing from businesses is that it
to go, anywhere closer to a deal of the fiscal cliff? if you listen to lawmakers, the answer is no, but cumberland advisers thinks a compromise is brewing. >> hundreds of thousands of cars destroyed by hurricane sandy, but as drivers rush to replace them, you may be forced to pay a higher price. >> huh. a car salesmen or congressmen? who do americans trust the least? the new numbers and lou dobbs taking up that up. >> how apple is expanding its empire into the crib. >> my goodness. there's little siri there and little macbook. goinged to floor of the new york stock exchange, and, lauren, economic data, down just a little bit in the red today, down 22 points 37 >> yeah, it is the first trading day of the new month. december, a strong month historically for the stocks, but there's a push and pull going on between market forces and the economic data, and we're in the red across the board, relatively flat this monday morning. the data, u.s. manufacturing activity last month lowest level since the summer of 2009, but then we got a construction spending report that was good. in october,
the fiscal cliff. dave: an exciting our coming up. we will tell you what drove the markets today with today's data download. of next week on wall street following better than expected november jobs report. the dow and s&p ending prior to eke out weekly gains, the nasdaq closed in the red ending down 1% a lot of that because of what happened to apple. financial and industrial for this week's top performing sectors while materials and technology lad a bit. the u.s. economy added 146,000 jobs in november as the unemployment rate dropped to four year low of 7.7%. today's report may not be as strong as it seemed, reporting employers added 49,000 fewer jobs in september and october than initially estimated. a preliminary reading showing consumer confidence plunging to its lowest level in four months. early december americans prepare for a potentially higher taxes at the beginning of next year. the index dropping 74.5 this month, far below november's reading of 82.7 and economists forecasts of 82.4. >> in the pits of the cme, michael tells us why dividend paying stocks are taught play regardless o
the fiscal cliff. with $600 billion in automatic tax hikes and government spending cuts set to start next year, why aren't more firms postponing hiring decisions? >> what we're hearing from businesses is that it is really hard to actually pull back hiring right now, because they've already fired so many workers, gotten so lean that it's really difficult. >> reporter: but not all the surprises in the report were good. at 7.7%, the unemployment rate hit its lowest level since december 2008. but that was mostly due to people giving up their search for work. and there's another disappointing trend, weak wage growth. >> what we are not seeing is strong income generation. the slowing in wage gains-- the weak bargaining power of labor comes across in this report and >> reporter: so although the labor market is not getting worse, it's not getting a lot better, either. and there are plenty of risks that could cause businesses to cancel projects, and hiring plans. >> clearly one of the biggest risks is that we don't see a deal on the fiscal cliff, or that they drag it out over a number of months. a
of the screen. we have lots more in the show. twenty-six days until we fall off the fiscal cliff. is that what democrats want us to do? pictures seem so. we go live to capitol hill in 10 minutes. while congress talked about wanting to cut excess spending, the numbers may tell a different story. i will break it down coming up next. ally bank. why they have a raise your rate cd tonight our guest, thomas sargent. nobel laureate in econocs, and one of the most cited economists in the world. professor sargent, can you tell me what cd rates will be in two years? no. if he can't, no one can. that's why ally has a raise ur rate cd. ally bank. your money needs an ally. gerri: where would we be without senator tom coburn? without the oklahoma taxpayer dollars? this fellow brought us this image. your member this? the shrimp on on the treadmill. does anyone have? @%e national science foundation studying the effects on disease. they decided to do this, and they spend 500,000 taxpayer dollars doing this study. if you can get scientists to waste money, the senator is back with another study. this time uncove
, getting his gangnam on. our very own neil cavuto bringing his fiscal cliff news straight ahead. you're looking at gold, lots of it jumping into gold and silver% as a safe haven. actual bars of gold. help investors get in on the action. melissa: we have been talking about it on fox business, the next great government bailout. going to save the federal housing administration. time for stocks as with every 15 minutes, let's had before the new york stock exchange, nicole petallides standing by. down 13. nicole: this is one of those markets with a lot of anticipation. every focuses on the fiscal cliff. tomorrow is the all-important jobs report for a lot of folks have been hearing more economic news which has been more dismal lately. talk about more layoffs they have seen in november. right now the market is not too far off the unchanged line. the acidity holding 1400. the tech of the nasdaq still below 3000. today apple is now moving into the green and that is one of the reasons why it is holding on to a quarter percent gain. apple $700, 705 in september traded as low as 518 today. certa
't they know about the fiscal cliff? >> they look to be down 10%. >> we'll watch it. as people know in this market, many times the stock price has been going up. we'll keep an eye on this. it may be throwing people. what does it say about copper overall and the price of the metal. >> i worry, by the way, watch energy 21. this is exxi. another company that bought old properties. one of the things that's happening that's driving this, okay, is that there's new technology. american technology that's able to access oil that the big guys have given up on whether it be exxon given up on energy 21 has or bp and it turns out that these fines may have been bigger so pxp takes advantage of the fact there's new technology. pxp is a deal maker but ready to trade because capital gains taxes are going up. could be a fiscal cliff. the gulf is hotter than it's ever been even a few years ago it was ice cold. >> big story in the journal about exploration in this country. production 15-year high. brand new chapter here. look at the bottom of your screen. citigroup is cutting 11,000 jobs. we want to ge
despite the fears over the fiscal cliff? rick, let me kick this off with you. what kind of expectations are out there on this fiscal cliff story? we seem to feel that there's a deal in the air. why else do we see such optimism today? rick? >> oh, for me? i'm sorry. i'll tell you what, maria, i'm not sure what's going on in washington. i'm not sure who those republicans are. i'm not so sure on whether the fiscal conservatives in the party know something about some big reforms on medicare and medica medicare, social security is, any of the retirement or tax issues, but i'll tell you this. i think that all these stories aren't necessarily going lead us to the truth. i personally have a very size way i'm approaching this. the president is supposed to leave for a 21-day vacation in hawaii on december 17th. where he is on december 18th will tell me, and i think the markets will pay attention. i find it hard to believe, and i agree with bill and many, who are very not amused by the house taking their long weekend. i'm sure that the president would have no intentions of leaving until these issu
it comes to the fiscal cliff. but tim geithner just told cnbc that we're going to go over the cliff unless tax rates go up. at the same time, two dozen republican house members signed a bipartisan letter with democrats defecting from the boehner plan. in the meantime, a nice game for the day for the dow, but a stunning selloff for apple. do you know what? fiscal cliff or not, the s&p 500 is up 12% year to date. that is a handsome gain for investors, an optimistic year, believe it or not. and we already bailed out detroit's auto industry. but now, at least one motown politician is telling president obama he should bail out detroit bankrupt city government, too. this sure isn't the free market, and i asked why should a texas taxpayer bail out detroit? >>> breaking news from syria, and it is a blockbuster. the assad regime is walking and loading its chemical weapons, ready to use them on its own people. nbc's chief pentagon correspondent joins us now. jim, is this the red line president obama was warning about? >> well, not quite yet. u.s. officials tell us that the syrian military is poised
one major stock clearing house was raising margin requirements. and then there's the fiscal cliff. analysts citing fears about a hike in capital gains tax in 2013. rick santelli has been talking about this, though, the things that were up in 2012, those are the things being sold now, whether that be gold or any number of assets that rose appreciably over the course of the last year. we'll be talking about the future of apple and the outlook for its stock a little later this morning with jonathan geller of the boy genius report. >> good old bump on the road on the way to a trillion dollar market cap. got to 600 pretty easily. and now it's back at 500. above 600 i guess. tough to get to a trillion dollar market cap. cisco got to 600 billion once, too. it's at 100 billion. apple still at 500. we talked about are they going to come out with the chartreuse slightly smaller mini ipad. and that's going to be the -- a lot of people waiting in line for that one. >> i do have to say, i'm in the market for a mini ipad. >> not for the max ipad? >> no, i want something smaller to carry around,
over the fiscal cliff if republicans don't give in on higher taxes for the wealthy. a little bit of trade data out of the uk. i didn't have a forecast for this. adjusted global goods trade deficit 9.5 billion. september unrevised. forecast here forecast at 8.65, so that is a wide deficit than forecast. adjusted 4.5 billion. sterling not reacting huge amount. european stocks today are firmer. up 0.4% for the ftse. xetra dax continues its strong momentum, we are trading at 52 week highs and up now about 27% for the year. bond markets which is where we stand with yields, spanish ten year yields slightly lower, but we were 5.2% beginning of the week was the handle. currency markets, not huge changes. euro-dollar just below 1.31, dollar-yen 82.44. euro trading, though, at a fresh day high it must be said. we have comments coming out of china on the smartphone segment. apple's rang in china smartphone market which will become the world's biggest this year down to number six in the third quarter. facing tougher competition from chinese brands. this is the research firm idc coming out wi
washington the benefit of the doubt so far today. we've had no real progress to speak of on the fiscal cliff. the president did speak publicly about it today. but we haven't exactly taken any step backwards either on wall street as far as the major averages go. we have had more special dividends declared, which we'll get to. first, get you caught up on the markets. kind of a meandering day. a few economic bits of data out today. other than that, not a lot going on as far as economic data go. we're all just waiting to see that white puff of smoke come out of washington and nothing yet so far. the dow virtually unchanged right now at 12,966. the nasdaq is down seven points right now. we'll talk with seema mody about that. and the s&p 500 index at this hour is down 1.80 in change at 1407. in today's "closing bell" exchange, we go over what is going on as we head toward the end of the year. seema mody is at the nasdaq today. jeff, what do you make of what's going on in washington? i'm most interested in the fact that the markets have lost the volatili volatility. we're not seeing the markets res
republicans are holding the global economy hostage over the fiscal cliff. >> susie: and apple shares get of the most widely owned stocks sees heavy trading. >> tom: that and more tonight on "n.b.r." >> susie: big job cuts today at one of the nation's biggest banks. citigroup announced it's slashing 4% of its staff; that works out to 11,000 jobs worldwide. the cuts will save the bank more than $1 billion a year in expenses. but they won't be cheap, resulting in a billion-dollar charge against fourth-quarter earnings. is this gloomy news from citi the beginning of other companies doing the same? suzanne pratt reports. >> reporter: 11,000 jobs are a lot of layoffs, even for a bank as huge as citi. and there could be more. that's because the monster firm is still struggling to recover from the great recession even though it has fired a lot of other workers in the last few years. the thing is, citi has a new c.e.o. in michael corbat, and experts say he's anxious to make his mark, even if that includes cutting staff. and the need to slim down is not ique to citi; it's indtry- wide. a financial
to hear out of the fiscal cliff discussions mailing the rates where they are. that will, of course help utilities. take a look at that excelled you. liz: that is exactly what we are doing. natural gas. it is up 4%. crude moving lower. tell me about that moves and natural gas today. that is no small chunk of change. >> it is kind of funny. everyone has different stories. i kind of feel left out here. it was a gooddmove on natural gas today. my primary focus is on crude. going forward, from here, i think we are just in a range. we got up to $90 on monday. i think we will staff a little higher. if we do go over the fiscal cliff, how long we stay there for stock. liz: you start to see some real moves and action at those levels. >> $90, we came right back off. until we get a more infinitive idea of where we are going, that is when you think we will see the build up above $92. until then, we are in a range between 90 and $85. you should just say armageddon on 12 / 12. liz: so great to see you on the floor show. they were simply the best way to get better yields. now more than 200 companies ar
this before, haven't we? what do average americans want to see in a fiscal cliff solution. we've got the exclusive results of our exclusive cnbc all-america economic survey. >>> now to everybody's all-american, sue herera standing by at the nyse. >> you're sweet, ty. thanks. >>> we're a little bit on the downside. we really kind of retraced a little bit on the dow jones industrial average. previous to this we were solidly in the green in all three of the major market indices. the dow now down 14 1/2 points. nasdaq up eight. the s&p is down just a fraction. of course we are also watching apple on the back of yesterday's drop. the stock today is traded up $4.82. that's just under a percentage move to the plus side. it's rebounding, still at bear market territory, however. it has lost over $50 billion in market cap over the past few days alone. our bob pisani joins me here on the floor of the nyse. what are you hearing from traders? the market is drifting a little bit. the focus is on apple. there seems to be a little bit of enthusiasm that it can come back to the up side. >> we were up
over the fiscal cliff. just in case, though, we've got some experts on happened to help you protect your money. here's how we stand right now, though. it's been a generally positive day for some of the blue chip averages. the dow among them. up 57 points right now, near the highs of the session at 13,003 and change. the nasdaq continues lower. you can blame apple. technology suffering as a result today, down 12 points right now at 2977. the s&p is up 2.25 points at 1416. with less than an hour to go in the trading week, another week without a deal to avoid going over the fiscal cliff. while today's positive jobs report did give markets a boost early on, it wasn't enough to get a significant rally going and to continue it on. so what's it going to take to get some conviction back in this market? >> that's in today's "closing bell" exchange. gentlemen, great to have you joining us here on "closing bell." i think bill pretty much cede it. what is it going to take to get conviction back in this market? i kind of know the answer, but i want to hear you guys say it. give it a crack, jim.
's effects on hiring may be short- lived, but experts worry fiscal cliff concerns could result in a new storm brewing for workers looking to land a job in the coming weeks. suzanne pratt, "n.b.r.," new york. >> tom: citi and the financials lead the way higher on wall street, helping the dow top 13,000 again. but a big drop in apple shares kept the nasdaq from gains. by the closing bell, the dow was up 82 points, the nasdaq down 23, the s&p added two points. >> susie: investors were also encouraged by news that american workers were very productive this past summer, and that's good news for company profits. productivity increased at its fastest pace in two years, at an annual rate of 2.9% from july through september. that number blows away the initial estimate of 1.9%. erika miller takes a closer look at how technology is helping to boost safety and productivity. >> reporter: three years ago, this long island hospital had a problem: healthcare workers weren't cleaning their hands as often as required. >> 100,000 people die each year in the united states from hospital acquired infections. that'
catching a lot of people by surprise. >> it's a fiscal cliff decline. this is the greatest capital gains generator of our lifetime. i would love to see what the gains are going to be next year. but i would be saying you need to sell it. we have no idea where the capital gains are going to go, we're going to go over the fiscal cliff, what do you have to lose, the rates are going to go up. i don't think it makes any difference two tim geithner says. >> it is so widely held by so many who want to play the stock market, let's say, beyond just the capital gains, whether it's in taxable account organization not and it also has the psychological impact that this is the one that i'm going to get out of because i'm afraid of what's coming in general? >> this is the stock, yes, it's cheap, now once it goes down, we have a million reasons, well, it's a nokia phone, well, it's china. ipad miniis available. this is a stock that's so widely owned. it reminds me of sirius satellite. every doctor, every dentist owns apple. they don't know the price per share, they just know it is the proxy for the marke
the fiscal cliff. nbc's tracie potts joins us live from washington with app update on all of this. tracie, good morning to you. >> reporter: lynn, not quite empty. a lot of lawmakers on a long weekend break. take a look at some of the frustrated constituents they'll face. a protest in baltimore over social security, not the check but the jobs. the people who work in the offices who fear there could be super long lines for taxpayers if, in fact, their jobs are cut in all of this. so where do we stand today? there's a hearing today on capitol hill. the joint economic committee hearing on what can be done for the fiscal cliff. treasury secretary timothy geithner says the administration is willing to go over the cliff, let taxes go up, let these taxes happen if republicans press the idea of no tax increases for the wealthy. the latest we've learned, president obama and house speaker john boehner have spoken by phone. no word on what they discussed or whether there are any meetings planned, but just the fact that they're talking seems to be progress these days here on capitol hill. >> we'll ta
the recovery in housing. remember that? we are always talking about fiscal cliff but what about housing? is everything in your portfolio still depend on a recovery or is having an overall market driver lost its punch? liz and saunders, chief investment strategist at charles schwab and which sidles through and why she thinks the recovery is just beginning. this company depends on you making trades for your portfolio and so far you the retail investor are still on the sidelines. td ameritrade joe moakley weighs in on that, on whether the age of the supersized bank is over and the massive life change he made off of the sidelines and into a real football game. let's get to the floor show. we have freighters at the stock exchange, cme group and nynex. give me your thoughts. we go through grinding higher as far as the broader markets are concerned except for the russell which is looking weaker right now. just turned positive. we are all green for the major indices. does this continue through tomorrow? >> hard to tell. if you look at the way the markets have traded on an intraday basis we have
and congress -- ♪ you are now screwing up this fiscal cliff stuff royally with your hard line positions and your ridiculous protestations that you can't compromise. here's why. we are close, very close right now, within our grasps, to becoming the leader of the world when it comes to technology, innovation, natural resources, and finance. you are the only thing standing in our way. you are our ball and you are our chain. we saw glimmers of it today. like today dow rallies 40 points, s&p gained .33%, nasdaq .52%. whether it's the ceos of the biggest of the big,or the smallest of the small. tonight's guest of lumber liquidators, the intransigence the mean-spirited debates, the pledge is not to raise taxes, it's costing this nation a once in a lifetime opportunity to reassert itself as the leader of the free world. and faster growing the repressive communist world to boot. your inability to give us a deal, any deal is crushing our economy. allow me to explain. since i read @jimcramer on twitter, people say i'm biased. i believe that the compromise which all the common sense people are look
, the fiscal cliff, so much uncertainty. where do you put your money? go to the big caps. look at the winners among the big cats. not huge, but this is where people are puttinggtheir money. they want it in safety. they are not putting it in gold. if you have to be in the market, go to the big cats. that's what's happening. liz: president obama discussing the fiscal cliff, and, plus, speaking live to the iowa governor, his state facing a double whammy if we go over the cliff. what compromises he'd love to see come out of washington, and how he believes they could reach them. this is a guy who deals with the democratic senate, so, really, he knows how to cross the aisle to make it happen. david: somebody else you know about, with all the talk about tax increases, the idea of a simple flat tax dead? we'll see. forbes doesn't think so. there's a news conference along with washington lawmakers to push for the flat tax. he joins us later this hour. liz: first, what drove the marketings for today's data download. stocks ending lower, struggling for direction most of the day, unable to hold gains tra
republicans want to solve washington's fiscal cliff dilemma, and what the democrats are saying about it. we'll talk about that, and much more with our special guest this morning, the former british prime minister tony blair is with us. but planes from iran. revolutionary guards showing off what they are claiming to be is a captured american drone. coming up why the pentagon says don't believe it. >>> and baby makes three at buckingham palace. the royal couple, will and kate, creating a media frenzy on both sides of the pond with word that they are expecting. we're going to go live to london. >> talk about this morning, in addition to tony blair, we're talking to democratic congressman xavier becerra, republican senator ron johnson from the state of wisconsin, also pat houston, whitney houston's sister-in-law and manager and jeopardy champion ken jennings written a new book. it's tuesday, december 4th, "starting point" begins right now. >>> welcome everybody, you're watching "starting point." we're honored this morning to have the former british prime minister tony blair with us as our guest
in washington. speak up for the fiscal cliff is part of the half trillion dollars in cuts to the pentagon. the defense has been saying we will not plan for sequestration's because they don't want to be cautious because it is like a gun to the head. they're now looking into planning for this because we are getting pretty late, and that may become a reality. back to you. melissa: rich edson, thank you so much. lori: let's continue this discussion. it is going to happen, it is exactly what the democrats want. according to scott hodge of the tax foundation. what are some alternatives to raising revenue? joining me with some ideas. to your point, you're written quite extensively on this topic. it seems the economy is poised to fall off the cliff and that's what the democrats and the president wants to happen. >> they want to allow all the bush tax cuts to expire. it happens naturally automatically. they don't even have to vote for it. in january we had to lower taxes for everybody. getting it very simply. lori: a lot of people are concerned. if we do go over the cliff, there's no resolution fo
be apple. >>> to washington now. the soap opera we call the fiscal cliff. before we get to our chief washington john harwood and the president is meeting with another grouch ceos, i need to start with eamon javers on capitol hill where lawmakers are skipping down early for a long weekend. eamon, wasn't thanksgiving just a couple weeks ago? >> it was. let me check michael ichaey cal. you see rank and file members of congress leaving the capitol. they are done for the week. they're headed back loam to their hometown districts. a lot of folks focused on this negotiation right now but the reality is that the negotiations are taking place among just a very few, very high level people. i was talking to a few rank and file members yesterday who said they were frustrated there is not a whole lot for them to do, they are just sitting around here waiting for some break-through in these negotiations. they want something to do on the floor, in their offices and there is not much for them to sink their teeth into. now they're going into their district. leadership is going to stay here and continu
mulholland in the pits of the cme. we have a street fight. jeff believes there will be a fiscal cliff resolution. david wright, on the other hand, thinks d.c. will avoid the cliff, but it will not stop the bears from coming around this time. let's start with tim at the cme. and, tim, we were talking about what a low yield you get now on treasuries. people are looking for some kind of yield, and the only place you're finding it is in the stock market. >> yeah, that's true. you also get the corporate bond market, the high-yield market. the fed has really through their interest rate repression forced people into risk assets, so the fixed income -- david: let me just stop you there, tim. you say interest rate repression on the part of the fed. that sounds like you're not too happy with the fed. [laughter] >> the fed's basically taken the market disciplinary function out of the marketplace with purchasing $85 billion a month with treasuries. they've been doing that for quite some time, so they basically have been, you know, manipulating the interest rates which i think is also when people
of what he had to say regarding the fiscal cliff and the threat that looms. let me play it. >> when it comes to raising taxes on the wealthy, those making more than $250,000, if republicans do not agree to that, is the administration prepared to go over the fiscal cliff? >> absolutely. there's no prospect to an agreement that doesn't involve those rates going up on the top 2% of the wealthiest. >> so is it a bluff when the obama administration says they're willing to go off the cliff if a deal is not reached on rates? >> i don't think it's a bluff. if you look at the reality of what happens, all the leverage which i -- right now clearly the white house has. they get more leverage if we go over their cliff. you can argue that would not send a good message to the country, to the world. it would prove that we are dysfunctional and cannot govern, et cetera, et cetera. in terms of dealing with the policy problem, which is you have this massive and growing debt, you have to bring in more revenues. there's multiple ways to do it, but critical ways to raise rates on the top end. it was what
this morning begins in washington where fiscal cliff negotiations according to the "times" has "collapsed." at least for now. with less than a month until the deadline, who blinks first if anyone? >> goldman takes dell from a strength to a buy. is it time to look at the stock and maybe even other players in the beat up personal computer sector? >> manufacturing data out of china. not bad. 50.6. that's the highest in seven months. although shanghai again trades lower even europe's pmi improves a touch in november. first up, we're one month away from the fiscal cliff and so far the white house and congressional republicans are still in disagreement over how to reduce the deficit and avoid a raft of tax hikes and spending cuts. yesterday our own jim cramer and maria bartiromo were on "meet the press" and cramer had a message for fellow panelists and father of the anti-tax pledge, grover norquist. >> most ceos are republican. they're on board. they're not on board with you. they're not on board with you because they fear your view. they think you do not favor going -- you favor going over the
of job growth. a fiscal cliff go over -- >> snatching victory from the jaws. >> a superstorm. nothing can stop the generation of jobs in this economy. >> there's a great article today in one of the papers about how apartment building, we have a shortage of apartments and shortage of housing and shortage of autos and shortage of office buildings developing, shortage of shopping centers, shortage of shopping malls. this is what begins a movement. you have to hire eventually. now you could say people are not looking for work, come on. look, jobs are here. they can -- it can be just easily reversed if you have no idea what is the future because of washington. >> given the data points that we've had in terms of claims numbers that did reflect an impact from sandy, they said 85,000 jobs or 86,000 jobs were sliced because of impact of sandy. average hours worked unchanged. doesn't that -- i don't know -- doesn't that bring into question a little bit the participation in the survey. how can it have no impact whatsoever? it seems curious to me. >> it does call into question whether these numbers c
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